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Post by cloudy1986de on Dec 2, 2004 1:22:59 GMT -5
Hi there...
I have the impression, I have two cheaters in my downline, no pages surfed, not even activated their account. But I accepted in good faith they will start surfing soon. I already sent email to those users - no reaction. What should I do - any idea?
Claudi
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Markb
GetRef Hoplite
Posts: 57
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Post by Markb on Dec 2, 2004 9:43:44 GMT -5
Im sorry for anyone i have hit here with my quick judge as i have had an very terrible week.
an quick explanation of what happened: i have had many losses this week like an close relative dying on tumor in brain and also was very frustrated about an friend who i allready knew for 4 years turned the back on me. also lost an pay processor account with the exact amount of 243.85 euro (not sure how much dollars) in it. thats so the primary reason i got anoyed and vented by this. because of this i might not be able to finance my study on the long terms anymore as it was money i cannot afford to loose. ok i know it is not an reason to blacklist and spew names like this and i as webmaster myself should have known better then this!!!
so i hope any person who i named here would accept my appologies and forgive me for this incident
also to say i always thought of me being strong and always correct in judgements but im also only human and am not invincible for common things like feelings
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Post by GetRef.com on Dec 2, 2004 10:24:26 GMT -5
Quick note, GLSERVICES has 120 accepted earns, and 1 decline. If this user was falsely signing up, they would have many more declines than just one. I cannot in good conscience ban this user. Jay
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Post by kurosivo on Dec 2, 2004 12:37:20 GMT -5
Dear markb, my name is Christos , i am male 43years old from Cyprus,have 3 children and i have never cheated neither in real nor in virtual life. You are accusing a lot of people here, as cheaters just because they are not using a specific program! I just like to ask if YOU are using all the programs you have signed in during your short or long time on the internet? I have signed all programs here in good faith, some are good for me,some not. Some 10 people signed under me through GetRef in Autovisiting and no one is using it today!Does this make them cheaters? Or perhaps Autovisiting is not that good program to keep them? I am curious, on what program did i sign under you? I looked all my past earnings but i couldn't find your name as sponsor!? Futhermore i d like to add that you should have contacted all this people you think that they harmed you before you start posting their names as cheaters, for everybody to see! I am apologizing to all English speaking people for the mistakes i make in their language.
Thanks Christos Apostolides Kurosivo
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Post by GetRef.com on Dec 2, 2004 13:08:50 GMT -5
Ok, First off, everyone should know that I will not be permanently banning anyone without very good reason to do so. Secondly, kurosivo has some very valid points in his post. Markb, when you create a blacklist like this, you have to be very careful because you can create a lot of hostility if you have blacklisted someone who does not deserve it. This is why I allow gold users to 'ban a user', when a gold user bans someone, they do not ban that person from using GetRef, they only prevent that particular user from joining any more of their programs. This way, you are free to prevent anyone from joining your programs, if you have had a bad experience with them. I created this functionality to do away with blacklists, because of the very reason you see in these last couple of posts. People, very good users, KUROSIVO and GLSERVICES (among others) included because both of their records show that they have a very good history here at GetRef, can be blacklisted by other very good users. Markb is another very good user here at GetRef, but he had some bad experiences with some other users. What the heck is my Point? My point is that in the long run, a good user is a good user, and every good user has a bad day, bad transaction, bad thing happen to them. But on the whole, if you are a good user, and user GetRef the way it was designed to be used, you will be able to reap the benefits of this program and build your downlines with REAL PEOPLE and not just signups. GetRef is unique, there is no program out there like it, and because of that I have to constantly be working on ways to make it better, more fair, and to try and make it so you, the user, has the most painless experience possible while using the program. Folks, we have a long way to go, but I am in for the long haul, and I hope all of you are too. Jay (Sorry about the rant there, but I felt that it needed to be said)
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Post by kurosivo on Dec 2, 2004 13:56:10 GMT -5
Hi Jay... just like to add that we all must remind ourselves, that behind those fancy nicknames we all use , there are reall live people whose lifes and circumstances change every day. People are striken by sicknes..people get divorced..change ocupations or even countries sometimes. Just to close this i want to say that i have not bad feelings towards Markb Goodnight to all Christos
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Post by netdaddy on Dec 2, 2004 14:56:26 GMT -5
Same with systmatic83 and netdaddy You know I have been called a lot of thing in my life, all 52 years of them, and this is the first time I have referred to as a "CHEATER". First, THANK YOU Jay for the support, because you are right with your reasons that some chose to participate and some for reasons known only to themselves chose otherwise. Second, I apologize to cloudy1986de if you feel that I have cheated you. Just so that you know, that was not my intention. Even though I am on disability for the time being, I have other things to do than sit around and click the mouse all day. I had put the sites that I joined under you on my "to do" list - and you know, it's kinda funny, that was for today. And I had started to do just that when for some unknown reason I decided to visit this forum. And low and behold there I was. I became so upset my first inclination was to delete those 2 accounts. But, with reflection, I decided to voice my opinion here instead. Third, I, too, have many of those listed here as my referrals that are to date not actively participating in the programs they signed up for. But I have not unjustly listed them on this forum. That is why I upgraded to "GOLD". It gives me an option for the future. In fact, I have someone right now that has supposedly joined 2 programs of mine, but have not! But, that is my problem and I will deal with it as I feel proper. I will not come to a forum such as this and air my dirty laundry, it is not the place to do that!!!!!!! Finally, some advice for all of you submitting these type of topics, from someone who has been around a while and through hell and back. "Before you pass judgement on someone else, take a good look in the mirror". How many of the programs you joined are you 100% actively participating in? If you are then more power to you! I try to, but there are only so many hours in the day, and I have a lot to accomplish during that time. So, if in the future, for some reason anyone here feels that I am cheating them, so be it! Thank you for allowing me to vent my anger! I will try to be more understanding in the future. Because I'm really a nice person! Just so you know ahead of time cloudy1986de, WebMastersQuest is very difficult for me to use. The symbols that they use for crediting the surf page are very difficult for me to see. I am half blind, no big deal, but just hard for me to visulaize them. So, I will as surf as I can... [glow=red,2,300]NetDaddy[/glow]
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Markb
GetRef Hoplite
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Post by Markb on Dec 2, 2004 19:38:13 GMT -5
also to add my list is descibing an few persons who signed up for many programs of me and then they disappear 3 days after credit accept so also this will count towards me getting an big angry shot here, again my appologies.
some names where legit to be there but many more may not have been so. i also wanted to thank a few that decided to stay with me as it is really appreciated and they also builded 2nd line downlines under me so there are good users between them! also here is the list of programs i have currently have accepted:
Shareadspace.com Am active in this one, but do not do really much clicking
Topsurfer.com this one runs not really good and gives me only low chances of earn credits
HaulingCash.com One of my favorites VERY active!!!
Nickelsbyemail.com Also very good program am also very active in this one
Autosurfpro.com Somewhat less active in this one but trying to do some surfs at least for my upline here
Cashdelight.com Recieved 1 to 2 mails from them then 1 mail that i was bouncing and was most probably deleted because i havn't logged in to click on inbox mails (was before i knew searches made out the most of it so thought it wasn't worth it while it was)
Fusionmails.com Am active but they really do not send me much anymore
Ultimatefreedownline.com Did not like this one, got spam when signed up for this one and didn't really like the setup (so ok at least one that i didn't use properly)
Dig-for-gold.com I dig dailly (trying to never miss an single day)
Gainmail.com Also one of my favorites
Studiotraffic.com Doing some surfs but because of the surfer problems lately not much
Mistyandsamscash.com Also one of my favorites!!!
No-minimum.com Have used it an while but doesn't send much links neither around 3 a week top i think
Rbtraffic.com Poorly running autosurf, runs for no longer then 2 minutes straight
Stormpay.com Well it's an payment processor where we have heard from in these forums
Autohitkid.com This autosurf is used alot for various stuff and i like it as it runs good
Gainagain.com Also one of my favorites!!!
Autosurf-uk.com An little less good running one but i try to keep up
So as can seen im active and try to be active in most if not all where i sign up for. Surely i can't expect such thing from anyone else as it always is the choice of the user. But seeing over and over again join people under me and then dissapear one or 2 days later didn't help my judgement. Also burned me sometimes with people who signed up for all programs i have and the unsubbing from them (i being so naive to accept all the credit requests or just afraid to loose any of my hard earned stats) and also having my fair deal with real cheaters that are allready a long time removed from the program but left the damage
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Post by netdaddy on Dec 2, 2004 20:19:18 GMT -5
Markb, I can uderstand your frustration, however, posting the IDs of the people here that are seemingly missusing the system does not benefit anyone. An example is the way mine was just dropped here without full knowledge of what I am about, or the status of my well being. I am not trying to defend those that are not participants in the programs as we would all like them to, but rather trying to defend those that for whatever reason aren't or are unable to participate. Am I making my self clear here? I don't want to sound upish, but it is important that we be judgemental only after we are fully and 100% confident that the only reason is that that person did what they did - is to cheat the system. In fact, you are my sponsor for Gainagain.com and I have nothing but problems with it. But I still try to give the program some attention. But that doesn't mean I do it every day. Listen, I have been dished too, I don't like it, but I don't cry foul here. I just ban them from joining under me again! Yeah I lost credits, but that's life. There are programs out there I have sunk $$$$ into and still haven't gained from those that joined under me. I can't force them to do what I want them to, but I sure wish they would. Part of eating a little dirt now and then is to help us nurture that one thing that makes us better. That is humility. So, please don't let this get you down or angry, just chalk it up to bad luck and "GET ON WITH THE CLICKING". ;D [glow=red,2,300]NetDaddy[/glow]
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Markb
GetRef Hoplite
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Post by Markb on Dec 3, 2004 4:43:57 GMT -5
Well just to repeat the line of me from above i have rmoved the things that should not be here (what a night of sleep can do with someone, feeling allready much better then yesterday).
Also walked trough my methods it sure has some serious flaw in it like the rule of ban on the first sight. Well i should have known not every program will be appealing for people and some will just not stay with some of them. Well only place where it would be correct is if an user claims to have signed up and appears to have not done that at all and he/she after reject comes back 2 more times and just repeats the whole thing (was some time ago allready and i was not gold so could not do anything about it). That kind of users are bad for the program. Also all the claims i did get (people sign up but do not appear after the full 3 day period) can all be based on misunderstanding as i seen it now. I have been rejected one credit request for an program also and now it appeared that the program just was bugged and did not put referrals where they belonged so it isn't always the user who does it.
So again my appologize for the quick judgement and the judgement of the honest users that try their best to make the most of the program.
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Markb
GetRef Hoplite
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Post by Markb on Dec 3, 2004 5:07:53 GMT -5
Also an note for the user kurosivo i walked trough my stash of notes and found that i really should appologize as it seems that the comment comes somewhat near the edge that i did not pay attention close enough. There are multiple lists for me, one that has users which i dont really know if they will be productive, one with users that i sure know are good and one with my complete referral base on it. Problem is that i have mixed that really badly and i am going to redo all that stuff and get it sort out properly or better start out fresh.
So again i appologise for my really bad judgement and note that you really didn't belong on anything that had remotely something to do with this.
Also i hope others will pick up the same message as i did get now: just don't post user names in public areas even if they might be bad in your eyes they can have done much better at other users and don't deserve that name-tag
Also one comment for jay is that im really sorry for this mistake that i made and have done damage to an good program and some of its good users. And the program has its own ban list so it was never needed to post anything of this and i can't say enough how much i regret that i did this.
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